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Chronoless
Chronoless 1 month ago

what are you talking about didn't you hear Native American food is seafood, That white native American Elizabeth Warren sent a traditional seafood of her Native American tribe to get published lol.

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kaluz55
kaluz55 1 month ago

Another benefit of owning a doll I don't think TFM or anyone else has mentioned:

After you do your business and you reach post-nut clarity, you'll have no regrets. You won't regret sleeping with a single mother. Or a wahman that's post wall or unattractive.

When you get to that clarity you'll have the peace of mind knowing that she's a 10 out of 10 who won't play games. No way to regret having bedroom fun with that.

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TerDer
TerDer 1 month ago

TFM should rethink his ignorant position that mothers who don't want to vaccinate their children are stupid. It's very clear these days that vaccines are pushed on us not for our own health.

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Darthtickles
Darthtickles 1 month ago

known risks from covid and known risks from vaccines are both astronomically small in everyone under 40 who isnt a fat fuck or otherwise immunocompromised. the decider for me is that im pretty confident that a cold is still just a cold, whereas a human creation is open to all manner of fuckups.

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Darthtickles
Darthtickles 1 month ago

@Darthtickles: that said, all you fat old fucks reading this need to go get your jabs.

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Freeballstits
Freeballstits 1 month ago

the rate is so low, we're outsourcing our shopping to tfm lmao

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

At least 45 people shot in Chicago in one night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2RrCL7MIrQ

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

High US Taxes + No US Tariffs = manufacturing moves from US to foreign countries and is then shipped back into US.
No US Taxes + High US Tariffs = manufacturing stays in US or moves from foreign countries to US.
Be aware. Venezuela imports almost everything and exports almost nothing (except petroleum).
If you tell TFM, you want to live without taxes, he will say anarcho-capitalism does not work.
If you tell TFM, you want tariffs (import taxes), he will say protectionism is a bad idea.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

"If you tell TFM, you want to live without taxes, he will say anarcho-capitalism does not work. If you tell TFM, you want tariffs (import taxes), he will say protectionism is a bad idea." False dichotomy. Tariffs and no taxes are not the only options. This doesn't invalidate TFM's arguments.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

"High US Taxes + No US Tariffs = manufacturing moves from US to foreign countries and is then shipped back into US." So? Adapt. Better to have low domestic taxes and no tariffs because that will create more jobs.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: Nothing you said refutes anything I said. You are simply in denial. TFM pretends that everyone who is pro-tariffs is a Luddite or mercantalist. TFM never talks about tax policy, except to say, pay your taxes. TFM pretends that tariffs are the great Satan that will destroy us, while other taxes are necessary to have a functioning government.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: No domestic taxes + No tariffs = No taxes at all = No government at all = anarcho-capitalism

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: Explain to me why a tax on domestic productivity is preferable to a tax on international trade. Explain to me why a tax on domestic commerce is preferable to a tax on international trade. Explain to me why a tax on domestic property is preferable to a tax on international trade.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

2017: Lower US income taxes + Higher US tariffs = Trump economics

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

2021: Higher US income taxes + Lower US tariffs = TFM economics (also supported by Russia, CCP, and every foreign country because they want American companies to be taxed, not their own products)

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

@Russians_are_from_Mongolia: "TFM pretends that tariffs are the great Satan that will destroy us, while other taxes are necessary to have a functioning government." Emotionalistic bullshit. You've made no points her.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

"No domestic taxes + No tariffs = No taxes at all = No government at all = anarcho-capitalism" -- TFM has never advocated for no taxes at all. I certainly wouldn't either. We have to have SOME taxes to have a working government. Most Libertarians seem to prefer a flat tax, like sales tax, because it's fair and efficient. Milton Friedman was a fan of a tax similar to a carbon tax...basically taxing externalities...which I think is a good idea. I don't have all the exact answers, the only I think I know is that taxes are WAAAAY too high to pay for an unproductive welfare state.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

"Explain to me why a tax on domestic property is preferable to a tax on international trade." Because there is no difference between the two. A tax on international trade is levied on domestic companies who just pass the tax onto consumers by raising prices. But by putting it specifically on foreign trade, instead of an honest, direct, flat sales tax, the government gets into manipulating markets, showing favoritism to the ones it likes and punishing the ones it doesn't, which is exactly what we don't need.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: Taxes on international trade are not levied on domestic companies. A tariff on Huwaei phones is not a tax on US companies. The primary purpose of government is to protect its citizens from enemies foreign and domestic. When China sells harmful products to US consumers, you can't sue them for damages. You must go to China to sue them and the Chinese legal system is incompatible with western countries. In China, there is a 99.9% conviction rate on criminal court cases. In other words, the courts are rigged. The Chinese communist party is one big giant corporation that owns/controls all of China. There is no justice in China. If you treat your allies and your enemies with equal respect, then you are fool. Why do military bases stop everyone going in/out?? Why do military bases search vehicles going in/out? Because enemies will use open borders and free trade to sabotage or collet intel or infiltrate the base.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: You are trying to pretend that income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes and tariffs are effectively all the same, which is utterly stupid. I know Putin hates US steel tariffs. I know China hates all the Trump tarifffs. News Flash: Chinese companies do not pay US taxes. Solution: support higher tariffs on products made in enemy nations and lower taxes on domestic companies. The idea that we must tax everyone, everything, and every country equally is dumb as fuck.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: This is why Americans like Trump. https://youtu.be/W7I92r9GqUw?t=272

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

@Russians_are_from_Mongolia: Bro, who do you think pays the tariffs? If I'm a manufacturer, and I need a $10 part from China, and a $5 tariff is raised on it, I'm paying $15. The tariff gets passed straight on to the company. And then, the company uses that part to make what is normally a $100 product...but now to make the same money, they raise the price to $105. So in the end, it basically becomes a sales tax on the end consumer. Taxes always just get passed down the value chain to the consumer.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

Take the company I work for. We manufacture cannabis. Every time live cannabis products exchange hands an excise tax must be paid. The flower comes in from the farms, we pay an excise tax. We extract bulk oil from the flower and "sell" it to our distribution company (which legally has to be a different entity than manufacturing) and pay an excise tax. Then we distribute to retailers and pay an excise tax. By the time it goes to retail, the markup due to excise tax alone is somewhere around 90%. The end consumer foots the whole excise tax bill; if they didn't we'd go out of business in a week. They'd be paying about 45% less if there was no excise tax at all. These kinds of taxes just raise prices on the end consumer!

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

This is why mercantilism is completely retarded. It's the classic error of mistaking money (higher wages for the domestic worker) for wealth. Wealth is about real goods and real services. Whatever creates more efficiency will create more productivity, which is defined as real goods and services. Capitalism creates a system where you get paid $10 but apples cost $1, mercantilism creates a system where you get paid $20, but apples cost $5.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: Who do you think does not pay taxes?? Global corporations avoid paying taxes thanks to free trade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....Ireland_as_a_tax_hav Ireland effective corporate tax rate is 2.2%-4.5%. While corporations avoid paying taxes, useful idiots like you (who defend ultra-low taxes on mega-corps) are hit with high income taxes and high excise taxes because your business is domestic.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: Try reading my comments again because you are not refuting anything I said. You are simply repeating that taxes are bad. Anarcho-capitalism is not an option. No taxes is not an option. The only options are who pays taxes and how much. The bottom line is .... you think foreign businesses and international corporations should not pay taxes. I am telling you there is another way. You don't have to be a useful idiot. We can have low taxes on domestic producers (you) while taxing imports from countries that do not pay domestic taxes. No one is forcing you to buy stuff from China. If you want to support the Chinese Communist Party (or the Taliban or Hamas or an enemy), then I propose you pay a tax. Someone must pay taxes. No taxes is not an option. You want to pay income taxes?? Or do you prefer a different taxes?

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

@Russians_are_from_Mongolia: I have refuted what you said. Your view is retarded because you haven't thought through the process of what happens when a tariff is levied on foreign goods. It just gets passed down to the consumer. I'm GLAD that corporations don't pay the extra taxes due to free trade...because that means they don't pass down that cost to me. The products I buy from them are CHEAPER. The taxes on the foreign corporations are just passed onto domestic ones when the domestic ones buy from the foreign ones. All taxes levied on corporations, from their portion of income taxes to tariffs, winds up as just a sales tax!

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

The other alternative is that foreign corporations sell directly to American consumers, but it's the exact same situation there. If they normally sell a product for $10 without a tariff, and a $4 tariff is raised on that product, then the consumer is going to pay $14 for that product now. THE TAX ALWAYS GETS PASSED DOWN TO THE CONSUMER. THIS IS WHY MERCANTILISM IS RETARDED.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

And if that foreign corporation gets replaced by a domestic one that can sell the product for $13, then you're STILL paying a $3 tax that you wouldn't otherwise have to pay. If a domestic one could sell it for less than $10, then the domestic company will outcompete and the tariff is pointless anyways. No matter how you slice this, the end consumer will wind up paying more for the end product. All the tax gets passed down to them, hidden in the retail price of the product.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: (1) You still refuted nothing I said. You pretend to refute what I said. (2) You would rather pay thousands in income taxes instead of hundreds in tariffs. Dumbasses like you love the IRS, while hating tariffs. Newsflash: we can't abolish income taxes unless we replace income taxes with something else. Income taxes are the most harmful tax because it reduces productivity. Income taxes are a direct tax on productivity. Tariffs are arguably the least harmful tax. All taxes are paid by someone, you fucking retard. If corporation don't pay taxes, then your stupid gullible useful idiot ass will pay the fucking taxes. High income taxes + no tariffs = low productivity. Now go suck Putin's cock and swallow like the bitch you are.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

@Russians_are_from_Mongolia: "You would rather pay thousands in income taxes instead of hundreds in tariffs." No retard, I think a sales tax is the fairest tax and gets rid of all the bullshit of income taxes and tariffs, most of the former and all the latter just translate into being indirect sales taxes anyways. We can abolish income taxes if we abolish welfare. It's fucking welfare that's the problem, not foreign companies creating competition.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

@Philosophy: You are spewing bullshit and lies. Taxes on foreign corporations are not passed onto domestic corporations. US steel companies do not buy foreign steel (with 25% tariff) and then re-label it as US steel and mark up the price and re-sell it. That makes no sense. As far as I know, all Trump's tariffs are for finished products, not for raw unprocessed materials. Trump did not put a tariff on raw iron. Trump put a tariff on finished steel products. US steel companies are not paying a tariff when they buy iron. Stop spewing out stupid bullshit.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

"If corporation don't pay taxes, then your stupid gullible useful idiot ass will pay the fucking taxes." This is what makes you incredibly retarded. You haven't figured out, even though it's been explained to you, multiple times by both TFM and myself, that all corporate taxes ARE paid by me/you/end consumers. You're the one retarded enough to believe you can tax a corporation without them either going out of business or passing the cost of the tax onto the consumer.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

@Russians_are_from_Mongolia: "You are spewing bullshit and lies. Taxes on foreign corporations are not passed onto domestic corporations." YES THEY ARE. Foreign corporations are doing one of the following (1) selling to domestic companies, (2) selling to domestic consumers, (3) not selling to the domestic market. In the case of the first two, the cost of tariffs IS PASSED TO THE CONSUMER. In the case of the latter, THE TARIFFS DON'T APPLY. How is this not making sense to you? This is why mercantilists need to water the tree of liberty - you're as retarded as religious people and can't understand basic shit.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

And if domestic companies have to start making their own shit, then they're making it more expensively than they could buy it on the foreign market (else they wouldn't make it domestically), and thus the increased costs in that case get passed to the end consumer. No matter how you slice this, you're fucking the end consumer with your bullshit.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

And with that, I'm no longer responding to your retarded ass. TFM and I have both explained this to you a thousand times. He's done it over multiple shows. You're obviously like Kanye West and the fish dicks joke...you're just too dense to understand it. Since you're not dropping $5 a comment at me like you do TFM, I'm going to do something more productive than explain how a 300 year old economic system is obsolete and doesn't work.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

"All taxes levied on corporations, from their portion of income taxes to tariffs, winds up as just a sales tax!" No, you fucking moron. An income tax is nothing like a sales tax. Income taxes decrease productivity. Sales taxes decrease sales. Import tariffs decrease imports. Stop saying stupid bullshit.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

"We can abolish income taxes if we abolish welfare" Welfare can not be abolished. People tried for 50 years to abolish welfare. Income taxes also can not be abolished. People tried for decades and failed. But income taxes can be reduced, if there is an alternative.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

" all corporate taxes ARE paid by me/you/end consumers" What you do not understand is that different taxes have different effects on the economy. What happens when income taxes are 100%?? Everyone stops working because there is no profit in working! What happens when there is a huge tariff on something?? Everyone stops buying whatever is tariffed but the economy continues on (without the tariffed product). It's not just who pays taxes. It is also the nature of the tax. Income tax = tax on work = disincentive to work = less stuff is produced = less wealth and more poverty. I don't want corporations to pay income taxes. But I also don't want working people to pay income taxes, while mega corps use free trade to not pay income taxes. Tariffs are a way to discourage big corps from leaving the US to avoid US taxes. Sales taxes will not discourage big corps from leaving the US.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

"Foreign corporations are doing one of the following (1) selling to domestic companies" Trump's tariffs do not do what you think they do. If Trump put a tariff on iron, or magnets, or copper, or basic materials used in US manufacturing, then yes, the tariff would be passed onto US manufacturing, but Trump did not do this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_tariffs

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

If there were a 50% tariff on apple products, the price of apple products would not increase by 50%. Apple would lower their prices because apple profit margins are huge. The price of apple products would increase (my guess is) 20-40%. Apple would lower the cost of their products to partially offset the tariff. At the same time, apple would have a strong incentive to make changes in order to avoid the tariff because the tariff will reduce apple's profits. With a sales tax, apple would make no changes because there is no way apple can avoid the sales tax.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

"all corporate taxes ARE paid by me/you/end consumers" If the government raises taxes on apple, I can stop buying apple products. If the government raises my personal income taxes (instead of apple's), then I can not legally avoid that. I must pay the tax. If my choice is either to raise taxes on myself or raise taxes on apple, then I choose apple. No taxes is not an option. If the government can not tax big cops, then the government will tax the little guy (you and me). If big corps raise their prices (due to taxes), you don't have to continue buying their products. But if the government raises your taxes, then you can not legally refuse to pay.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

"THE TAX ALWAYS GETS PASSED DOWN TO THE CONSUMER" If the government raises taxes on Apple, and Apple raises their prices, I can tell apple to go fuck themselves. If the government raises taxes on me (instead of apple), I can not tell the government to fuck off. If my choice is I pay more taxes or apple pays more taxes, I choose apple. If my choice is, I pay less taxes or apple pays less taxes, I choose me. Low domestic taxes = I pay less taxes. Tariffs = Apple products cost more. If you love giving your money to the government, then pay the tariffs, and the government will get your money. But under my tax plan, you will have a choice.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

"I think a sales tax is the fairest tax and gets rid of all the bullshit of income taxes and tariffs" The government forces retail stores to collect sales taxes for the government. Not collecting sales tax is a crime. People go to prison for not collecting sales tax and for not paying income tax. No one goes to jail for not paying tariffs (except smugglers). Tariffs are collected at the border. Without income/sales taxes, there is no need to even have tax police. Border police collect tariffs. Sales taxes and income taxes are enforced by special tax police. With tariffs, I don't have to pay them. I have the option to simply not buy whatever is tariffed. With sales taxes, I don't have that option. Everything in the store has a sales tax on it. I either pay the sales tax, or I buy nothing at the store. With tariffs, big cops have an incentive to not move their headquarters to tax haven countries because if they do, their products can be tariffed. With a sales tax, it is still better to keep corporate headquarters in a tax haven, because the sales tax applies no matter what the corporation does.

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DJWeyon
DJWeyon 1 month ago

tfm ur the best !!!!

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mainestewy
mainestewy 1 month ago

Still no video

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celestinas_side_dick
celestinas_side_dick 1 month ago

At least this video has an mp3 version. Others do not

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

Kuroi: it's way easier to start doing something else than to stop doing something you don't want to do. If you do something else to keep you occupied, then the thoughts and temptations don't have room to come up. So what you need is a hobby, to get outdoors, etc. You need to fill that space with something else.

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Russians_are_from_Mongolia

Correction: It's easier to do something else than to stop doing something you want to do.

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Philosophy
Philosophy 1 month ago

I love these long shows because it gives me plenty of material to listen to as I work. Thanks again TFM!

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Chaos
Chaos 1 month ago

1 minute short of 7 hours? Have you guys figured out how to save the west yet?

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