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Political Trichotomy: The Call of Chaos

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Published on 11 Jul 2020 / In People & Blogs

A follow-up to my video about the Libertarian Left (or lack thereof). The issue at hand is that the political compass isn't accurate to reality, it's a bad model. Just like the theory of relativity is superior to Newtonian physics, the political trichotomy is superior to the political compass because it better reflects reality. There is a theoretical 4th angle representing the Libertarian Left, but they don't functionally exist in reality.

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MrA_H0Ie
MrA_H0Ie 3 months ago

Starting around 7:00
No, they are just idiots. The core value of libertarian left is not chaos. Chaos is survival of the fittest. They are against that. In the absence of a government the rules of nature still apply. That's individualism. They just refuse or are unable to follow logic.

They are stupid enough to believe that industrious people would willingly support freeloaders. They overlook or ignore or deny that freedom also means that those who are willing and able to work hard and smart would protect their hard earned wealth.

They are against big government because they are against obligations because they are useless, lazy, entitled cunts, but they don't think through that they can't get free shit without a government robbing people by taxation at gun point.

Anarcho-syndicalism and any other ideology in the libertarian left corner is based on cognitive dissonance.

The libertarian left are those who refuse to understand that total freedom leads to survival of the fittest. They are just spoiled cunts who think they are entitled to get free shit without even forcing people to give it to them.

Draw a line, maybe a curve, starting somewhere on the authoritarian extreme top edge, left of the top center, maybe near the top left corner, go through or near the center between the 4 quadrants, and end somewhere on the libertarian right edge. Anyone below and left of that line is unable or unwilling to make honest logical conclusions based on facts about competition and self preservation.

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CeeJay
CeeJay 3 months ago

It's the Guild system from back in the Middle Ages that's all.

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Voluntaryst
Voluntaryst 3 months ago

Equality must be forced. There's nothing libertarian about that.

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Brennan
Brennan 3 months ago

I think you were right the first time, libertarian left cannot exist because equality and freedom are diametrically opposed values. Imo, the confusion comes from the fact that the trichotomy you describe is flawed. I agree that there is a trichotomy but "stability" should be changed to "hierarchy". Having stability as a 3rd corner as opposed to equality and freedom doesn't make sense because stability and equality are complimentary values whereas they are both opposed to freedom. In fact, equality cannot exist without absolute stability(order). Since equality can only be achieved through oppression of the superior, you must have an absolutely powerful entity that will oppress all inequality which requires absolute order.

If you change stability to hierarchy, then the trichotomy makes sense. Hierarchy is opposed to equality but is also opposed to freedom in favor of stability(order). So all 3 corners are now opposed to each other.

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

Stability and 'hierarchy' are not even remotely close to similar. You have eaten up some pretty heinous leftist propaganda to be using the term 'hierarchy' unironically but okay. You are wrong because 'hierarchy' in practical terms means merit based distinction (3 is superior to 2, 2 is superior to 1, etc.). Merit based distinction means 'Inequality' and that means LIBERTY. You are probably thinking of what TFM calls 'social mobility' or lack of it , and have grossly misspoken... that's my guess.

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Brennan
Brennan 3 months ago

@RoboCat: By hierarchy I mean a system that is against equality but also sacrifices freedom for the sake of stability. A monarchy would be a good example. Maybe you can find a better word for it but the 3rd position has to be opposed to both equality and freedom. As I described, stability is NOT opposed to equality so that trichotomy doesn't work.

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

@Brennan: Yep I knew it.... I can spot you leftists a mile away. I very specifically addressed exactly what you are saying, I.e. "SOCIAL MOBILITY" or lack of it. 'hierarchy' doesn't mean what you are stupidly attempting to pass the term off as, leftist. Your entire argument from your first comment is based off of you being too retarded to even understand what simple words mean, even failing after it is explained to you. Your argument is garbage, leftist. You are garbage.

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Brennan
Brennan 3 months ago

@RoboCat: Ok so you are a troll. Got it.

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pirania
pirania 3 months ago

Decentralized collectivism ! The worst of All !! Voluntarily... how long 2 years... 5 years? Has already been done - Economic organization in " guilds "... admittedly under a monarchical umbrella, so to say.

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xdark666
xdark666 3 months ago

Hi TFM, if you are interested in a more extend plitical spectrum look a this video, and comment us yours thoughts. Greetings. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?....v=bMaArb0oKsw&li --- BTW is in spanish.

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Dave Thomas
Dave Thomas 3 months ago

Syndicalism has been tried in places like South America and some places I think in Asia as well. It doesn't work. The syndicalist signs up with the Government, pushing wages excesively, basically not giving time to the markets to accomodate ressources or jobs, wich creates a slow increase on inflation. Wage inflation means the workers "have" more money (even if they have less due to the inflationary process ir creates) thus the prices for everyone, including people living on wellfare goes up, creating social distress and constant protests.
Wich leads to a cycle of lefties taking power, then eventually right wingers trying to fix it, then reclaiming power again, so on so forth... Really not a solution on the least. Just a bunch of "interesting" sounding words.

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

That's a good breakdown but you don't need all of that. A 'syndicate' is what most people call a UNION. Unions are ultra-cancer; They drive up prices, reduce quality of product or service, are always incredibly corrupt and for the ultimate irony, they screw over the low end workers despite supposedly being designed for that purpose. Syndicalism is shit because unions are shit.

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Lucifer333
Lucifer333 3 months ago

What a crap of nonsense

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Dave Thomas
Dave Thomas 3 months ago

@RoboCat: Truth is very simple, a lot of people aren't that usefu, a system based on Labor Contracts is more effective, since you have a deadline. Workers usually perform better, knowing their contracts may not be renewed. But yeah, syndicalism creates corruption by its own socialist nature, always trying to extract as much money as possible from the company owners or investors, wich shrinks the ammount of investment and increases the ammount of risk for them, ending up in an overall shrinking economy for that particular country.

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UnwillingVillian
UnwillingVillian 3 months ago

What do you call 2 lesbians and 3 members of a labor union?
5 people who don't do dick.

The idiot who thinks that labor unions should be the government is on par with other useful idiots like antifa and black lives matter.

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Lucifer333
Lucifer333 3 months ago

Socialist arent stupid, just evil and pretending to be stupid if you are critical

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

I'd like to point out that there is no such thing as an 'anarchist'. Anarchy is a transitional period between the collapse of political infrastructure and the inevitable rise of another. It is functionally impossible for anarchy to be sustained due to the reality of 'might makes right', meaning the powerful that rise up will become the de-facto 'government' from then.

At 2 min TFM makes a mistake he's been making for a long time; No TFM, the 'communists' (marxist socialists) do not hold the value of 'equality' regardless of what they claim. If you look at their actions and the outcome, they have zero interest in equality.... what they actually hold as values are SUBJUGATION and ORTHODOXY.

FOR EX: The women in university outnumber men now in the U.S. correct? how many leftists/'communists' are now against women quotas and affirmative action type benefits for women in this instance? very few. There are many other examples like this one.

What TFM is saying is wrong, although it's not stupid and I'm not disparaging him.... it's just he is incorrect in this one instance.... also 'equality' is a shit value anyway, my point is they do not hold that as a core value and never have.

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DisruptiveTimes
DisruptiveTimes 3 months ago

You confuse communist "leaders" aka Stalin or Mao with activists. Of course, communist elites (like every elite in every system) dont really want equality, for obvious reasons. However, the masses of activists that claim to fight for equality do so because they lack the capacity to dominate and succeed. They are looser losing the game. They dream about equality in the way that would make them on par with those that can compete. But just because that would mean to oppress those who can compete, doesnt mean the end goal of the communist activist is subjugation! Its just the tool to reach the goal of being on par with those who can compete. Its self interest! Everything that goes against that self interest (see your university example) is bad. Its the same for anyone and any purpose. So, dont confuse those who seek power in the guise of a political movement (those who will become Stalin types) with those who cant compete and see communism as a tool to make them able to compete (the looser type), which always fails for obvious reasons.

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

@DisruptiveTimes: Hold on, when did I mention any 'leaders'? I did the exact opposite and spoke of a fairly pedestrian leftist issue that demonstrates that leftists at large do not care about 'equality' I.e. bottom up example, not top down. You can keep pretending that I said the exact opposite of what I actually said, but reality does not bend to your delusions, leftist.

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DisruptiveTimes
DisruptiveTimes 3 months ago

@RoboCat: Like many others, you miss that every person carries the self image of being the "good guy". If you judge a persons action, you have to do that from that perspective, otherwise you just projecting your own image of what you think they are onto them and then construct their motivation from it, which results in a distorted image of reality.

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

@DisruptiveTimes: That's a cute red herring, heh. You don't appear to have anything of value to say, leftist. Earlier I thought you were being very dishonest, now I realize that you're just completely retarded, a woman and/or a hardcore leftist. Carry on, little one.

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DisruptiveTimes
DisruptiveTimes 3 months ago

@RoboCat: Damn, I tried so hard to disguise my communist soul, but your pristine x-ray vision caught me. I am impressed.

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Lucifer333
Lucifer333 3 months ago

Lefist are not stupid, just evil, but the right is to faggotly cucked to even entertain this idea

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Lucifer333
Lucifer333 3 months ago

@DisruptiveTimes: no superpowers needed to see you are a dishonest piece of wet lying dogshit

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pauljh74
pauljh74 3 months ago

The reason why leftists and feminists still push for quotas for women is that feminists still claim inequality exists against women because they incorrectly define equality as equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. They also ignore the areas where women dominate and focus on the lucrative areas such as STEM, where the numbers of capable participants who choose that area are more often men. Feminists get in the ear of those in power and cry "Wah, muh wage gap!" and the rest of us get fucked over by new measures to increase "equality"

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

@pauljh74: Nope, you are completely wrong. 'equality of outcome' is irrelevant and does not factor in to leftism. Let's put it to the test; Do false rape accusations and divorce-rape remain consistent with 'equality of outcome'? the answer is no, obviously.... however they go perfectly with the leftist values of SUBJUGATION and ORTHODOXY. When you have to cherry pick examples & isolate arguments for your idea to work, the idea is shit. 'feminism' = leftism + gynocentrism .... and leftism = subjugation + orthodoxy.

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booti
booti 3 months ago

how do you use chaos to achieve equality?

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RoboCat
RoboCat 3 months ago

I think he was referring to the leftist type anarchists that want a 'hard-reset' that leads into whatever they're calling socialism this week. I.e. Chaos--->Reset--->Socialism.

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DisruptiveTimes
DisruptiveTimes 3 months ago

At the hypothetical extreme of chaos as your core value, chaos is itself the end all be all purpose. In theory, total chaos also mean total quality, but in reality, total chaos comes in tandem with death through nature rather than a gulag. TFM fails to mention that this hypothetical place is the state in which nature itself operates. To really hold chaos as your core value, you would have to want humanity descend back into the animal kingdom in which only nature dictates everything. And frankly, I think there are more people that think that way than TFM might expect, but yeah, none of them can have any real political power by definition.

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