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Mike Pompeo, Former US Secretary of State & CIA Director, on Geopolitics, Leadership & the Economy 2023

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Published on 07 Jan 2026 / In Other

In the third and final episode of our 'July With Jen Series', guest hosted by Jen Prosek, we welcome Mike Pompeo onto the show. Mike is the only man to ever have served as both the US Secretary of State (2018-21) and CIA Director (2017-18).

In this episode, Mike and Jen have a riveting conversation, discussing a range of key geopolitical topics, such as; US-China relations, what to expect from the Ukraine/Russia conflict in light of the recent mutiny, and his hopes for the future of the United States.

He goes on to defend the recent history of US interventionism in the Middle East - suggesting that it was underpinned by just intentions - before explaining how his experience in business prior to politics helped him truly understand the USA's unique economic advantages.

In addition, Mike discusses how his faith has impacted his outlook on the world, why he preferred working as Director of the CIA over being the Secretary of State under Trump, and how the US media should focus on policy - not just personalities - in its election coverage.

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TOPICS:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:41 - Joining the Trump Administration
00:05:08 - Economics Focus in US Foreign Policy
00:06:01 - Evaluating Russia & China as Challenges to the US
00:12:57 - Sponsor Messages
00:13:50 - Trump Administration & Relations With Russia
00:16:09 - Confronting China: Economic Deterrence
00:18:07 - Reciprocity in International Relations
00:20:36 - 'Never Give An Inch' Book/Philosophy
00:22:20 - Pushback on Obama's Cairo Speech
00:25:35 - Business Career Prior to Government Work
00:27:39 - Mike's New Investment Advisory Venture
00:28:24 - Sponsor Messages
00:30:09 - Lessons from Working at Baskin Robbins
00:32:02 - Thoughts on the Upcoming US Election
00:35:19 - Reflections on Working at the CIA & State Department
00:36:13 - Highlights from his 'Never Give An Inch' Book
00:37:32 - The Vital Role of the US Private Sector
00:39:02 - Conclusion

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In August 2017, Pompeo took direct command of the Counterintelligence Mission Center, the department which had helped to launch an investigation into possible links between Trump associates and Russian officials.[60] Former CIA officials, including John Sipher, expressed concern given Pompeo's proximity to the White House and Donald Trump.[61]

In September 2017, Pompeo sought authority for the CIA to make covert drone strikes without the Pentagon's involvement, including inside Afghanistan.[62] During Easter weekend 2018, Pompeo visited North Korea and met with Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un to discuss the upcoming 2018 North Korea–United States summit between Kim and Trump.[63]

Pompeo usually personally delivered the president's daily brief in the Oval Office.[64] At Trump's request, Pompeo met with former NSA official William E. Binney to discuss his doubts of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[65]

At the suggestion of Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, Pompeo planned to hire chaplains at the CIA.[65] In an April 2019 speech at Texas A&M University, Pompeo said "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. It was like we had entire training courses . . . it reminds you of the glory of the American experiment."[66]

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